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Yes, nice to share like thoughts with like minds… and yes it would be nice to know what exactly is going on, providing the phenomenon will permit itself to be seized!
Blizzi, “if we believe, how far could we go” should have been incorporated into Boorman’s Heretic – it would have intelligently complemented “the Good Regan/Good Locust/Teilhardian Omega Point” themes…
Ryan, yes, Amfortas was in a sense Legion’s “Karras figure” – full of suffering, looking for answers. Putting Amfortas in the movie would have made it gripping and poignant.
Maybe so… a dialogue between him and Sunshine/Karras would have been a treat given Blatty’s talents…
Ryan, I’ll try to dig out some Jung books to confirm Clelia and the shoe lady.
Also, was there a character in Casablanca named “Lazlo” – Victor Lazlo? If so, that would connect with Kinderman’s love of great films as well as his Casablanca-like friendship with Dyer.
Might take a day or two to get those Jung references but I think I have them around here some place.
Ryan, found one, looking for the other. This case is cited in The Exorcist itself as Karras is investigating.
Psychology and the Occult. C.G. Jung. Bolligen Series, 1977, Princeton University Press, pp. 55-56.
Jung discusses Myers’ 1885 work, “Automatic Writing”, citing the Clelia personality that emerged in automatic writing done by one “Mr. A”, a member of the Society for Psychical Research.
The emergent personality identifies itself as Clelia, a woman who “will come to life… in six years [in the future].”
Blatty’s cite of the case appears on pp. 325-327 of the Bantam paperback.
Hey, Ryan, found the other reference… the books were more accessible than I thought!
Jung, Memories, Dreams, Reflections. Vintage Books Edition, Random House, NY, pp. 124-125.
Same story Temple tells in Legion. Except in Legion he asks an old cobbler how shoes used to be sewn, whereas Jung found out by asking his clinic’s head nurse how long the woman had been making the gestures. The nurse told him that the prior head nurse had said that the old lady used to make shoes.
Jung next checked her delapidated records, which, surprisingly, indeed identified the gestures as cobbler’s motions.
At her funeral, Jung asked her brother how she lost her sanity, and the brother told Jung that she had been in love with a shoemaker who rejected her, and from that point, she became dysfunctional.
Jung: “The shoemaker movements indicated an identification with her sweetheart which lasted until her death… Henceforth I devoted all my attention to the meaningful connections in a psychosis.” (p.125)
Blizzi, just adding Freud’s comment on the paranormal:
15 June 1911 Freud to Jung:
“In matters of occultism I have grown humble since the great lesson Ferenczi’s experiences gave me. I promist to believe anything that can be made to look reasonable. I shall not do so gladly, that, you know. But my hubris has been shattered.”
[Sandor Ferenczi, a psychoanalist, had also been experimenting with the paranormal.]
Jung. Psychology and the Occult. Bollingen Series, Princeton University Press, 1977, p. ix.
Freud had a life-long interest in the paranormal, regardless of his conclusions about the “cabinet poltergeist.”
