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August 13, 2007 at 11:59 PM #18737
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ParticipantI don’t agree, lunuso… I think Chris was pretty sure about the Devil after all… she says it clearly in the book…
But that is not the point… I mean… she was not a poor woman who couldn’t afford to move in a hotel or somewhere else… I think it is pretty “unbelievable” that they kept living there after three deaths and an exorcism with a real devil hanging around… I think a mother with a natural instict would just take away her child from a place where so many horrible things have happened… especially when she has the money to do it…
It would be more understandable if Chris was a “normal” woman with little money unable to pay a new house or a hotel…August 13, 2007 at 11:59 PM #18744Sofia
ParticipantI wouldn’t stay in the house either, but Chris was based on Shirley and she’s not a fearful woman.
“The question of course remains whether or not her first glimmerings of belief would have impacted the length of time she continued to live in the house.”
I think that atheists wouldn’t be afraid to continue to live there.
August 14, 2007 at 11:59 PM #18748hammer horror
Participantquote lunuso: “I think that atheists wouldn’t be afraid to continue to live there.”
I don’t agree… horror is horror, it doesn’t matter weather you believe or not in God or the Devil… Chris was terrified while looking at her daughter spinning her head and so on… so I don’t think she couldn’t be scared and horrified only because she was not a believer. I am a atheist too, but I probably wouldn’t have stepped foot in that house…August 14, 2007 at 11:59 PM #18751Sofia
Participant“Chris was terrified while looking at her daughter spinning her head and so on…”
The head spinning around was an illusion. Blatty said that the supernatural doesn’t mean impossible. In the novel, Chris hit her head hard against the wall so she imagined it.
And I guess that you never agree with me 😉 but most atheists who I talked to about the movie say they weren’t afraid of it at all.
August 14, 2007 at 11:59 PM #18752hammer horror
ParticipantBut it doesn’t really matter if Chris imagined the spinning head… she was terrified and not only by it… I made only an example…
You can’t say that Chris was only hanging around saying: “I am not scared at all, I am an atheist! I don’t believe my daughter is possessed!” Indeed she really believed Regan was possessed, at least at the end.Never believe an atheist… LOL
August 14, 2007 at 11:59 PM #18764Sofia
Participant“Indeed she really believed Regan was possessed, at least at the end.”
She never said she really believed her daughter was possessed either. I feel she wasn’t 100 percent sure.
At the end of the book, Blatty still entertains the thought that Regan may have suffered from mental illness and Karras from a mental breakdown.August 15, 2007 at 11:59 PM #18772Sofia
Participant“Or do you mean they were all crazy and they only imagined everything?”
When did I ever imply this? What I meant was that right until the end, readers can be doubtful. It was Blatty’s intention to lead the reader toward a suspension of disbelief. That’s why he never stated Regan was really possessed.
“The fact is: 3 people have died there and many horrible things have happened in that room…”
Sure, but they probably didn’t even go to the room. Only on the last day to pack Regan’s suitcase.
August 15, 2007 at 11:59 PM #18782Sofia
ParticipantNo, it’s not wrong! That’s what it says, “It was now six weeks since the death of the priests. Since the shock…”
“Concerning the carpenter: you are talking about something that it doesn’t belong to the book.”
I think the carpenter was in the original version of the epilogue. Chris goes upstairs to Regan’s bedroom and Rags is frowning. She looks to her mother and asks what happened to the man in the funny black dress. But Harper & Row suggested that Blatty should drop that passage to make the ending less obvious.
Carpenter part of the first draft:
With a sigh from resignation, Regan looked down at the animals. The she turned toward the sound of hammering. A carpenter was refitting the window with new shutters. Regan stared at the window, frowning as if nagged by some elusive memory. She looked down in thought.August 15, 2007 at 11:59 PM #18781hammer horror
ParticipantMaybe the Italian translation of the book is wrong, but it says: it was now six weeks since the death of the two priests.
So it is not my fault…
Concerning the carpenter: you are talking about something that it doesn’t belong to the book or the film. It was written on the first draft of a screenplay… But this at least would clarify that Blatty’s didn’t want Regan living in her room.August 15, 2007 at 11:59 PM #18780Sofia
ParticipantI only pasted those reviews because I thought you didn’t believe it was Blatty’s intention to keep the mystery of whether or not she was possessed. I didn’t understand you either. Sorry.
“Or do you mean Kindermann’s seculations at the end?”
Blatty never stated she had been possessed, that’s what I meant: “It was now six weeks since the shock. Since the closed investigation by Kinderman. And still there were no answers. Only hauting speculation and frequent awakenings from sleep in tears.”
“Does a carpenter need six weeks to repair a window? He needs one day!”
lol, but on the first draft, he was still fixing it with new shutters while Regan was packing. If he only started working on it that day, it means the glass of the window remained totally shattered for 6 weeks, so Chris wouldn’t let her daughter go into the room, right? 🙂
August 15, 2007 at 11:59 PM #18779Sofia
ParticipantGee, that looks so long!
August 15, 2007 at 11:59 PM #18778hammer horror
Participantmmmmh… You just answered not with your own words but with other people thoughts… this is totally uninteresting… For sure Blatty put both possible interpretations in the book especially in the middle of the story… I never denied this… but maybe I understood you wrongly before because you were talking about the end, that’s why I asked you where Blatty was clearly doing it… (you said: At the end of the book, Blatty still entertains the thought that Regan may have suffered from mental illness and Karras from a mental breakdown). Or do you mean Kindermann’s speculations at the end?
Because this is something else…Does a carpenter need six weeks to repair a window? He needs one day!
August 15, 2007 at 11:59 PM #18774Blizzi
ParticipantNever believe an athiest… I’ll remember this… Incidentally, never believe a witch either. I’m just as capable of being wrong as the next guy. So nice to be able to have a healthy debate here… I’ll have to reread to choose a side in this 😉
August 15, 2007 at 11:59 PM #18773hammer horror
Participantlunuso: “When did I ever imply this? What I meant was that right until the end, readers can be doubtful. It was Blatty’s intention to lead the reader toward a suspension of disbelief. That’s why he never stated Regan was really possessed”
Mmmmh, I read the book again just last week and I don’t get at all at this intentional suspension of disbelief, sorry…
mmmmhhh, And where is written that Regan went only that day in her room? You suppose it is like this, but it is not written in the book…
Besides Chris knows Regan can’t remember anything… isn’t it inappropriate to let her go in the room with the risk she could remember the horror?
August 15, 2007 at 11:59 PM #18769hammer horror
ParticipantShe doesn’t explicit says it but she clearly admits she believes in the Devil existence… It is a pity I don’t have the English version of the book… I prefer not to try an English translation that differs from the original text. But just look at it…
Could you please write if it is possible the piece where Blatty entertains the thought that Regan may have suffered from mental illness at the end?
But what you say is totally irrelevant for what I am trying to say. It doesn’t really matter if Regan was really possessed and if Chris believes in God or the Devil… The fact is: 3 people have died there and many horrible things have happened in that room… So enough to wish moving away as soon as possible instead living there for 6 weeks…
Or do you mean they were all crazy and they only imagined everything? -
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