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October 7, 2007 at 11:59 PM #19182
hench85
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October 7, 2007 at 11:59 PM #19184Blizzi
ParticipantGood to meet you. 🙂 All fair points. The other camp is “he had a mental disorder”. That seeing as we don’t know yet the limits of the powers of the mind, psychokenisis/telepathy/etc, may be accounted for somewhere in there. I never thought it was a prank. I’m stunned by what strange things the mind is capable of… So, I’m with the theory of, he may have been possessed, he may have been ill. Either way there’re a LOT of things to be studied by scientists and those who lead people in faith of any kind.
October 7, 2007 at 11:59 PM #19185hench85
ParticipantI have a couple of questions. I just started getting interested in the Exorcist and don’t know all the background of the writer and all that stuff.
1. Did Blatty know who the boy was?
Because I thought was odd how there was an astronaut in the movie, because Ronald Hunkeler works for NASA. Didn’t know if there was some kind of connectio n or reference to him.
2. Any reason Blatty decided to choose Pazulu instead of Satan to possess Regan, because the true story is that Satan possessed the boy.
(i’m not criticizing Blatty, because it is a great script).
3. I have not seen the sequels, but do any of them have the father of Regan or talk about him?
4. Was St. Joseph on the medallion, in the beginning, and how did Karras get it?
October 7, 2007 at 11:59 PM #19186granville1
ParticipantI don’t know if Blatty knew the kid’s identity, but I seem to recall that he was close to some Jesuits involved in the case, who swore him to secrecy. However, that’s just a blurred memory on my part.
My opinion is that a claim to be Satan or “the Devil” would be too obviously fake, pointing to a hoax or a mental disorder – as Karras says, “She doesn’t claim to be a demon, she says she’s the Devil himself. If you’ve seen as many psychotics as I have, you’ll know that’s like claiming to be Napoleon Bonaparte.” Presumably this dialog exhibits Blatty’s own perspective. He wanted a believable presentation of possession, with a putative demon clever enough to muddy the waters by claiming to be THE Devil/Satan – thus throwing Karras off the scent.
Legion does not mention Regan’s father at all. And I don’t recall “Howard” being mentioned in Ex2: Heretic. It’s possible he was mentioned in passing in the expository dialog that explained the absence of Chris MacNeil from the film – but as I say, I don’t recall Howard being mentioned.
I believe it was St. Joseph on the medallion in the Prologue in Iraq. However, I don’t think that this is the identical medal that Karras is shown wearing at the film’s end. It’s a St. Joseph medal, but not the one from Merrin’s dig. Probably Blatty/Friedkin put Karras’ medal in the script just to provide “resonance”. Otherwise we’d have to imagine that Merrin carried the medal home from Iraq and “gifted” it to Karras – an act of such emotional import that the script would hardly fail to mention it. So probably Karras’ medal is just an expression of “resonance.”
October 7, 2007 at 11:59 PM #19189Jason Stringer
KeymasterGo with whatever granville1 types – he’s always on the money.
I recall reading once that Blatty came close to meeting the boy, but the Jesuits would not allow it. He spoke with the Jesuit who was involved with the exorcism and was able to get his hands on the journal that was kept… or something to that affect. A little hazy on the details but I’m pretty sure Blatty was speaking directly with people involved.
October 7, 2007 at 11:59 PM #19195granville1
ParticipantThank you, Captain, for the high compliment… I’ll try to be worthy of it! I think Blatty referred to the medallion as one of the “mysteries” of The Exorcist – somewhat like 2001 was “planted” throughout with teasing symbols…
October 7, 2007 at 11:59 PM #19198Blizzi
ParticipantNew info to me, Cap, about him almost meeting the young man. Yes, and we’re all granville’s groupies. Me included.
October 7, 2007 at 11:59 PM #19201granville1
ParticipantThanks, Blizzi… I’m so flattered. Yes, ain’t it intriguing what Cap’n Howdy said about how close WPB got to the actual case. I only wish that there had somehow been some scientific documentation, filming, brain tests (I know it was before really sophisticated tests had been devised) – so as to better judge its genuineness … whether it was real possession, mental illness, or hoax… Of course, protection of the subject’s privacy would have probably precluded most of that kind of research. Or, if it had been done, it probably would not have been permitted to be publicly viewed for the next 75 years or something…
October 9, 2007 at 11:59 PM #19221Sofia
Participant“I’ve been reading about the story that the Exorcist is based on.”
There were other cases of paranormal events that Blatty researched. He mentioned a few in the book, Exorcist From Novel to Film:
Aldous Huxley’s Devils of Loudun (1952) People say that Blatty got a lot of his material for The Exorcist from Huxley’s book, including the blaspheming, lewdness and sexual proffering;
The Three Faces of Eve, a true case authored by psychiatrists Corbett H.Thigpen and Hervey M. Cleckley. (1957) Apparently the woman suffered from multiple personality disorder. Her illness then disappeared in response to treatment based upon a certain diagnosis of the problem, that depended on the interaction within equations of concepts like “mind”, “personality” and “hysteria”;
(The psychiatrist of The Exorcist novel talks about the same 🙂 )Another case involved a 15-year-old girl. She manifested three distinct personalities, one of them a chatty and eloquent old man who spoke high German, a dialect completely unknown to the girl. She demonstrated telepathic abilities and accelerated intelligence, all of which phenomena were witnessed by the psychiatrist Carl Jung, who found in them no possibility of fraud. (really similar to Regan of the novel)
October 9, 2007 at 11:59 PM #19226granville1
ParticipantGood catches, lunuso – thanks for letting us know.
October 10, 2007 at 11:59 PM #19236Ryan
ParticipantRE: the medal as a “resonance,” that’s correct. Any recurring theme of medallions (The Exorcist, The Ninth Configuration) are all symbolic of Blatty’s relationship with his mother, and the strange occurrence that happened while he was writing The Exorcist novel. It’s a constant reminder and indication that love transcends and all of that sort of thing.
October 10, 2007 at 11:59 PM #19240granville1
ParticipantNice encapsulation, Ryan, poetically expressed by a true scholar.
October 11, 2007 at 11:59 PM #19248Sofia
Participant“Did Blatty know who the boy was?”
Oh yes he knew. He mentioned it in the book, From Novel To Film:
“It is also a fact that I have read the diary; that I have long known the name of the boy and where he lives…”Blatty wrote about another case that I really think inspired The Exorcist: A true account of a 23 day exorcism in Earling, Iowa in 1928. The book was published in 1935 with the name ‘Begone Satan’ written by Rev Carl Vogl. The victim, a forty year old woman ‘spoke in and understood languages she had no prior knowledge of. She displayed supernatural strength, used horrible, foul language, etc.
Theresa Wegerer, one of the witnesses: “I can truthfully say, that the facts mentioned in Begone Satan are correct. Some of the scenes were even more frightful than described in the booklet… I will never forget the horrible scenes, vile, filthy, and dirty, as long as I live.
Blatty: “It was stated that the victim, would repeatedly and forcefully fly up from her bed as if hurled like a dart, head first, at a point above the bedroom door, where she would hang suspended by her forehead.”Oh, granny, I thought you knew about these cases. :o)
October 14, 2007 at 11:59 PM #13106hench85
ParticipantI am new to this site, and I like to say this is a very god site. I’ve been reading about the story that the Exorcist is based on. A lot of mixed opinions on if the boy (Ronald) was possessed. I think he was, because I don’t think it was all a prank. I mean is a 13 year old boy so clever that he could fool not just parents but also priests? I read about how he was a troubled child and all that, but if it was a prank, wouldn’t you want to rub in and brag how you were able to fool everybody afterwards? If this boy was such a prankster and troublemaker, why didn’t he pull other big pranks? I mean he graduated with honors and went to work with NASA. After the movie came out, he could have cashed in on it. He could have been like I’m the person that the movie is based on. If it was a prank why convert to be a Catholic? If it was a joke, what would be the point? He named his son Michael. If it was a prank why name your son after a prank? Yes, he doesn’t talk about it, but that doesn’t mean he was faking. Maybe he doesnt want all the publicity on him and his family. Probably a hard time for him. I just dont think he could fool everybody. After the exorcism he went on to become a success, not a prankster or loser.
October 14, 2007 at 11:59 PM #19262Benocles_Czar
ParticipantFriends,
Personally, as a Christian (but not a Catholic) I very much believe in possession and the ritual of exorcism. In regards to whether the story Blatty was influenced by was the real thing, as has been mentioned above, there is some compelling evidence for and against it being ‘real’ or not. More so, I would say, ‘for’ but it’s all a matter of perspective. What we can be sure of, is that Blatty thought enough of it to be real.
Cheers & God Bless
Benjamin Szumskyj
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