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Something is definitely A Foot. Yesterday on the imdb Exorcist board, someone calling himself “Agent Sparky X” posted the following. Note the word-for-word duplication of RatBoy's post, which is rendered in italics:
“Jane Fonda turning down the role of Chris MaCeil stating “Why would I want to be involved with a capitalist rip-off piece of *beep* like this?”.
I don't think this movie no matter how well written and directed would have been well recieved with that treasonous bitch in the by Text-Enhance” href=”http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070047/board/thread/219103594″>lead role.
Jane Fonda was not allowed on my vcr nor TV screen while growing up in my house so neither me nor my family would have enjoyed and been terrified by the Exorcist while growing up.”
Yes, there is still the “treasonous bitch” calumny from the OP in this thread, but now the final sentence has been added from the imdb post. I feel obliged to post my reply to “Sparky” that I made in the imdb thread, as follows:
It would be better to critique her acting instead of writing:
“… that treasonous bitch …”
“Her political activism was a reaction to the real treason that was being perpetrated by the Johnson administration with its B.S. Gulf of Tonkin resolution, its betrayal of America and a whole generation of American youth, the by Text-Enhance” href=”http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070047/board/thread/219103594″>wholesale destruction of a country that never attacked the US (hey, that does sound familiar, doesn't it), its constant lying, its satanic “war of attrition” against the Vietnamese, its assassination of Vietnamese leaders who had “outlived their usefulness”, its support of a fascist Vietnamese regime whose only “virtue” was that it opposed Communism, continuing under the Nixon administration with its illegal invasion of Cambodia, its instigation of the Kent state tragedy, its abuse of law enforcement agency powers, and other examples of atrocious, immoral, illegal, and anti-American behavior. Contrasted with the US government, Ms. Fonda comes out looking like a super-patriot.”
Thus, something is certainly A Foot. What in the world is RatBoy/”Sparky” trying to accomplish with this rather odd and Fonda-defamatory behavior? Seemingly the poster, whoever s/he is, is not cognizant of the fact that many howdy.com readers also read the imdb Exorcist boards, and would therefore see through this ploy, if such it is. Curiouser and curiouser.
It would be better to critique her acting instead of writing:
“… that treasonous bitch …”
Sure and while I'm at it, perhaps I should I should critique Polanski on his directing rather than the fact that he's a sicko that drugs and rapes children.
Or perhaps I should critique Hitler's paintings as an artist rather than the fact that he was an evil tyrant.
Jane Fonda is a self admitted communist that went to Vietnam to aid and comfort the enemy during a war. She was also responsible for the deaths of American POWs and you call her a patriot?
Wow!!!!
I proudly defended you when you were being spammed and attacked by Beezle … but this time you are wrong.
I'm glad my parents banned Jane Fonda from my household. At least it taught be principles and respect for my relatives that were killed during the war.
I too can't wait til she dies so I too can pee on her grave.
Since you're posting this stuff simultaneously both here and at imdb, it would be simpler if I first just copied your latest in imdb:
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“Sparky” wrote in imdb:
That's like saying I should critique Polanski on his directing rather than the fact that he's a sicko that drugs and rapes children.
Or perhaps I should critique Hitler as a painter rather than the fact that he was an evil tyrant.
To which I replied in imdb:
Exactly. This is a film forum, not a political forum. If you think Fonda should not have taken the Burstyn part based on Fonda's acting skills or lack thereof, fine. But you used this board to air your political rage. Moreover, you did not reply to my criticism of the accuracy of your judgments against Fonda, even though I provided you a chance to do so. Apparently you're more at home with all the lying, bloody deeds of the Vietnam Era U.S. government than you are with the patriots who sought to circumvent that government's many evils. Be that as it may, Fonda's personal political views have no relevance to her potential acting in The Exorcist. Case in point, I despise John Wayne's ultra-conservative, anti-liberal, pro-torture (The Green Berets) views, but I don't permit Wayne's personal foibles to interfere with my enjoyment of his films. Your inability to make the separation between an artist's professional and private life is a perfect way to ruin film appreciation.
You're just as mistaken re: Polanski inasmuch as Polanski “is” not “a sicko that drugs and rapes children” (you misuse the Present Tense). Afaik, he is accused of only one drug/molestation incident. He is not a serial molester, as is implied in your phraseology. Most important, as with Fonda's case, Polanski's outside-profession behavior does not affect one iota the high quality of his films, past and present.
Your attempted mixing/matching of political behavior with professional accomplishment is an emotion-based logical error.
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I think that about covers it. Now back here at Howdy.com:
RatBoy: “Jane Fonda is a self admitted communist”
Communism is perfectly okay in America unless it advocates violent overthrow of the government. Your point?
“went to Vietnam to aid and comfort the enemy during a war”
Good for her. The “enemy” needed comforting, since it was being immorally and illegally attacked by a vicious imperialist superpower whose idea of combat was napalming civilians and dispensing Agent Orange. Secondly, Fonda went to Vietnam to save the lives of American soldiers by trying to document the real war and hopefully stop it by disclosure.
“She was also responsible for the deaths of American POWs”
Documentation please. If you can prove that any American soldier died from or by Fonda's direct involvement, I may retract some of my opinions. But not without proof. And don't forget that it was not war protesters like Fonda who were mass-killing Americans. It was the Kennedy-Johnson-Nixon administrations.
“I'm glad my parents banned Jane Fonda from my household”
Doubtless Fonda was hurt and suprised by their hospitality fail. What other things and people did your parents forbid you to know and think about, thereby destroying your critical thinking potential and keeping you happily ignorant?
“I too can't wait til she dies so I too can pee on her grave.”
You go ahead and do that, and the rest of us will laugh at you when the cops haul you away for indecent exposure.
Point taken. It was an act of madness for Blatty to have considered Fonda when filming time came along – she had already made her public reputation by that time. Perhaps Blatty's social awareness was not at that point very sophisticated?
RatBoy said:
My main point is, the Exorcist could have suffered having the Jane Fonda stigma.
Barbarella
They Shoot Horses, Don't They?
Klute
Fun with Dick and Jane
Coming Home
The China SyndromeNone of these seemed to suffer from Ms Fondas involvement or acting abilities.
Seems the only people who actually suffered anything were angry ultra right wingers who failed to understand a young ladies disappointment at the behaviour of her country in a foreign land.
Now don't get me wrong I do agree her words and actions were actually a step to far, but when placed into the context and spirit of the times I think perfectly understandable.
I believe she has herself voiced her regret and long since apologised. Time perhaps to put aside all that nasty prejudice, it was after all 40 long years ago. Hanging on to all that anger will just harden your arteries chap.
Jagged said:
RatBoy said:
My main point is, the Exorcist could have suffered having the Jane Fonda stigma.
Barbarella
They Shoot Horses, Don't They?
Klute
Fun with Dick and Jane
Coming Home
The China SyndromeNone of these seemed to suffer from Ms Fondas involvement or acting abilities.
Seems the only people who actually suffered anything were angry ultra right wingers who failed to understand a young ladies disappointment at the behaviour of her country in a foreign land.
Now don't get me wrong I do agree her words and actions were actually a step to far, but when placed into the context and spirit of the times I think perfectly understandable.
I believe she has herself voiced her regret and long since apologised. Time perhaps to put aside all that nasty prejudice, it was after all 40 long years ago. Hanging on to all that anger will just harden your arteries chap.
You have to realize that the ultra left wingers like Jane Fonda was calling American prisoners of war “Liars”.Innocent young men were dying by the thousands and she was betraying them and America as a whole.She was on the side of ultra left wingers such as the Weather Underground who were busy blowing up police stations and wanted to basically overthrow the United States and turn it into a communist dictatorship the way Obama is actively doing now.It's ironic how ULTRA LEFT WINGERS brand US patriots and believers in the US constitution as Ultra Rightwingers.The ULTRA Leftwingers have this insidious trait of turning truth upside-down.During the days of Vietnam, the only way that one avoided being drafted was A.) join the army, navy, air force, or the marines before you got the draft notice..or B.) Be fortunate enough to have a rich father who could put you through college as another way of avoiding being drafted into that police action up until the year 1972 when Richard Nixon stopped the draft.Yes…NIXON stopped the draft, whereas democrat Johnson escalated the war in 1968.Nixon may have done Watergate, but did people die like the ones in Benghazi last year under Barack Obama?
Jane Fonda is a phenomenal actress and the movies you have listed are all great (even Barbarella was awesome).I don't know how she ever got through a movie like “They Shoot Horses, Don't They”….She passed on “The Exorcist”, as everyone here knows, to quote Friedkin, she said, “Why would I want to have anything to do with this capitalist horsesh*t”.An ultra leftwinger usually doesn't believe in God and tries very hard to force their ideology down everyone's throats.Just look at the atheist groups attacking war memorials that have crosses marking the dead who gave their lives to their country that was founded on Judeo-Christian principles.
their country that was founded on Judeo-Christian principles
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Not really. The nasty Calvinists at Plymouth Rock and elsewhere were not lovers of democracy, and in fact, they were not any part of the Founding Fathers. They got kicked out of England for their bad behavior and lusted after the New World, a place they imagined they could found a fascist theocracy. Fortunately, America is not founded on Judeo-Christian prinicples, but rather Enlightenment principles. Most founders who were religious at all were not Christians, but Deists. Hence, Thomas Jefferson said that he looked forward to the day when America would be Unitarian-Universalist, while he took a scissors to his New Testament, and regarded that mutilation as a “rational” rendering of a largely superstitious text.
https://sites.google.com/site/thechristiandelusion/modern-democracy
granville1 said:
Since you're posting this stuff simultaneously both here and at imdb, it would be simpler if I first just copied your latest in imdb:
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Spoken like a true stalker
“Sparky” wrote in imdb:
That's like saying I should critique Polanski on his directing rather than the fact that he's a sicko that drugs and rapes children.
Or perhaps I should critique Hitler as a painter rather than the fact that he was an evil tyrant.
To which I replied in imdb:
Exactly. This is a film forum, not a political forum.
Who died and left you moderator here and at IMDB? Who are you to dictate what can be discussed here or at IMDB?
If you think Fonda should not have taken the Burstyn part based on Fonda's acting skills or lack thereof, fine. But you used this board to air your political rage.
When a controversial, treasonous political activist was almost cast as a lead in The Exorcist and comments that this movie is a piece of shit, she becomes very much relevant to the discussion about the Exorcist.
So deal with it!!!!
Apparently you're more at home with all the lying, bloody deeds of the Vietnam Era U.S. government than you are with the patriots who sought to circumvent that government's many evils.
You are so warped with your facts like a typical hanoi jane apologist.
Be that as it may, Fonda's personal political views have no relevance to her potential acting in The Exorcist.
Her almost involvement and negative comments about the Exorcist is relevant to discussion so deal with it !
Case in point, I despise John Wayne's ultra-conservative, anti-liberal, pro-torture (The Green Berets) views,
Of course an elitist snob such of yourself has no tolerance towards other views
but I don't permit Wayne's personal foibles to interfere with my enjoyment of his films. Your inability to make the separation between an artist's professional and private life is a perfect way to ruin film appreciation.
On the contrary, it shows I have morals and principles which is why I won't ever watch a Hanoi Jane nor child rapist Polanski flick.
You're just as mistaken re: Polanski inasmuch as Polanski “is” not “a sicko that drugs and rapes children” (you misuse the Present Tense).
Yes he is. His victim spoke up as well as Polanski admitted to the crime in a court of law. Get your facts straight!
Afaik, he is accused of only one drug/molestation incident. He is not a serial molester,
Oh I see. He only got caught doing it once so he's okay by you and since it happened long time ago, everyone should just forget it.
If you had a daughter, I'd feel sorry for her for having such a morally bankrupt father. God forbid if a predator ever assaulted your daughter, you'd probably wouldn't press charges and let him walk free so long as he makes good movies.
as is implied in your phraseology. Most important, as with Fonda's case, Polanski's outside-profession behavior does not affect one iota the high quality of his films, past and present.
Your attempted mixing/matching of political behavior with professional accomplishment is an emotion-based logical error.
unlike you, I don't reward traitors nor child rapist by supporting and praising their films. While you're at it, why don't you hang a painting by Adolf Hitler in your living room!!
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I think that about covers it. Now back here at Howdy.com:
Yes it sure does. You certainly made an ass of yourself. 😉
Sadly, your fascistic parents ruined your capacity for critical thinking. Not my fault. However, you are welcome to blame me for your character deficits, first because it makes you feel better; second because it allows you to act as the perpetual Good Boy who carries his iron-bound parental mind-slavery across time and into the world; third, because it provides a public document illustrating the workings of a paranoid, angry, anti-democratic mind; fourth, because it expresses the parochial, punitive mindset of conservatives who proudly but misguidedly mislabel themselves “patriots”; and a handful of other items that project the “My Country, Right or Wrong” idiocy onto a public billboard at which persons of taste, education, and good will can jeer and sneer. A public service indeed.
RatBoy: “Jane Fonda is a self admitted communist”
Communism is perfectly okay in America unless it advocates violent overthrow of the government. Your point?
Communism is evil through and through.
“went to Vietnam to aid and comfort the enemy during a war”
Good for her. The “enemy” needed comforting, since it was being immorally and illegally attacked by a vicious imperialist superpower whose idea of combat was napalming civilians and dispensing Agent Orange.
thousands of good Americans died in that damn war, you heartless scumbag. Most of them were drafted. They died to protect your freedom to act like an ass behind the keyboards.
Secondly, Fonda went to Vietnam to save the lives of American soldiers by trying to document the real war and hopefully stop it by disclosure.
Bullshit!!! She went to there to aid and comfort the those barbaric enemies of the USA and to demonize the USA with her treasonous propaganda.
Saving US soldiers isn't spitting on them and calling them liars, hypocrites and baby burners.
You are so anti anti patriotic, it's disgusting.
“She was also responsible for the deaths of American POWs”
Documentation please. If you can prove that any American soldier died from or by Fonda's direct involvement,
Words and account by surviving troops and POWs are proof enough for me.
I may retract some of my opinions. But not without proof. And don't forget that it was not war protesters like Fonda who were mass-killing Americans.
Get your facts straight! Her treasonous crimes is not for protesting the war. Most everyone was against the war. If I was old enough to understand back then, I would have be protesting the war. Hanoi's Jane's crimes is aiding and comforting the enemies while they were killing AMERICANS and getting POWs executed.
It was the Kennedy-Johnson-Nixon administrations.
Get your facts straight!!! It wasn't Kennedy nor Nixxon. It was Johnson. Nixxon ended the draft and pulled our troops out.
“I'm glad my parents banned Jane Fonda from my household”
Doubtless Fonda was hurt and suprised by their hospitality fail.
Of course anti American elitist snobs like you and hanoi jane doesn't care.
What other things and people did your parents forbid you to know and think about, thereby destroying your critical thinking potential and keeping you happily ignorant?
How dare insult my parents. They were the most charitable people I've ever known. They both lost siblings and friends in that damn war and I grew up understanding and respecting their reasons.
And the only ignorant asshole I see on this thread is you. You're a disgusting sicko.
I so regret defending you when Beezle came in here spamming insults towards you. Leave it to a Liberal to stab me in the back by insulting my deceased parents.
Ken said:
You have to realize that the ultra left wingers like Jane Fonda was calling American prisoners of war “Liars”.Innocent young men were dying by the thousands and she was betraying them and America as a whole.She was on the side of ultra left wingers such as the Weather Underground who were busy blowing up police stations and wanted to basically overthrow the United States and turn it into a communist dictatorship the way Obama is actively doing now.It's ironic how ULTRA LEFT WINGERS brand US patriots and believers in the US constitution as Ultra Rightwingers.The ULTRA Leftwingers have this insidious trait of turning truth upside-down.During the days of Vietnam, the only way that one avoided being drafted was A.) join the army, navy, air force, or the marines before you got the draft notice..or B.) Be fortunate enough to have a rich father who could put you through college as another way of avoiding being drafted into that police action up until the year 1972 when Richard Nixon stopped the draft.Yes…NIXON stopped the draft, whereas democrat Johnson escalated the war in 1968.Nixon may have done Watergate, but did people die like the ones in Benghazi last year under Barack Obama?
Thank you Ken and well said.
Ratboy, I insulted your parents because they raised you. All wrong.
Keep on confessing, though. Is your head comfortable on the cushion? We can bring in a fluffy pillow if you like.
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