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I'm certain that it's only Dietz in that footage, she has a very distinct look. The clips of Blair inbetween are from the exorcism.
I didn't catch anything on the BTS that implied that Blair only wore the
vomit apparatus during the demon-makeup tests (the material mostly from
the FOG).
I didn't get that from the footage either (which really tells us nothing new and instead creates more confusion). But Linda has only ever spoken about testing it, we only have footage of Linda testing it, and Linda doesn't appear in the film with it. If Linda was willing to shoot the scenes then there wouldn't have been any need for Dietz to do it.
^Right. This is the definitiv conclusion.
In the pictures posted by Justin you can clearly see it was always Dietz in the scene (the wig is without any doubt the same)
Father, I think it was Dietz trying the target. LoLYou gotta keep in mind that the BTS footage is not rehearsals or tests, but filming of actual scenes in the movie. As we all know and can see when watching the film, Eileen is the one doing the spitting, so that BTS footage has got to be her.
That sequence also shows that you cannot go by Roizman's commentary because he says that target was used for the scene with Jason Miller, when in fact they're actually filming the part where Regan spits on Merrin at the beginning of the exorcism.
Seeing is believing!
Justin,
That drags me all the way back to the fact that the spiderwalk information, or shall I say rumors, that were all too confusing well before the “Roizman Tapes.” That created debate over what Vercoutere claimed and what Friedkin claimed. The information never matched and it depended upon who you chose to believe. (Although we do know that Friedkin is really out there!).
In this instance, when scrutinizing Roizman's commentary about the “vomit ball” target, that indeed is the Regan and Father Merrin scene. I could never get a good freeze frame to see if that was Blair or Dietz (I think both could probably spit pretty good). However, I don't think that one slip-up should discredit Roizman all together … he was there … we were not.
As far as Blair only testing the vomit apparatus during make-up tests, I can't recall any reference where Blair said that. I do now wonder why she (along with Roizman) are making different claims after 37 years? For instance, we have the BTS with both Roizman and Blair making this claim as well as other resources like this one (starting at around 2:00) with Blair confirming that she wore the vomit apparatus: “Well, Dick Smith and Marcel Vercoutere worked on all this special tubing and it did come out of the back wall, through the tubes, around my face, into my mouth and then, you had to keep your mouth open because if you did not, once the pea soup started if it backfired it would have choked me, so you had to be very careful with all the equipment. The equipment took two hours to put on, it was very, very uncomfortable … we worked on that thing for over three months.” Hmmm. Oh, well, I wasn't there during filming.
This new information is so confusing because we know for a fact that Friedkin chose to have Blair imitate the vomit scene and the only piece of the vomit apparatus we see is that one small snippet of Dietz at the very end.
Your pictures are excellent and I see only Dietz when put in sequential order. If I turned the volume off, I would have seen that none of them are of those of Blair. I simply put what Roizman said together with what was on screen during the time in BTS footage.
You wrote in response, “I didn't get that from the footage either (which really tells us nothing new and instead creates more confusion). But Linda has only ever spoken about testing it, we only have footage of Linda testing it, and Linda doesn't appear in the film with it. If Linda was willing to shoot the scenes then there wouldn't have been any need for Dietz to do it.”
Some of that is true; other parts I'm not so sure are certain. I've provided a link to that and the BTS footage does not indicate the Blair said she only wore the vomit apparatus for make-up tests. Perhaps I missed something, but I'm not going to draw any “definitive conclusions.” Â
Father Bowdern
I've provided a link to that and the BTS footage does not indicate the
Blair said she only wore the vomit apparatus for make-up tests.Blair or Roizman never say she did any actual takes with it, either, and the last line of the quote you posted – “we worked on that thing for over three months” – sounds like Linda is recalling all the tests they did before shooting and Dietz took over.
Then you have quotes like the ones below that only ever suggest that she tested the rig:
“I was so grossed out. At that time of my life, I didn't eat vegetables at all. Forget it. No way. I didn't eat anything. I really never ate. But anyway, the pea soup made me want to throw up. Those were funny experiences when we would do the screen tests for testing the pear soup and I got to vomit on the first assistant director who wore rain gear and goggles. That was very funny from my point of view.” – Linda Blair, Fangoria, 1987
“There was the projectile vomiting, which I did with Dietz wearing a rig that I had applied inside her mouth. Billy said that he didn't want a solid stream; he wanted the flow to be sort of a broadcast. I gave him the effect he wanted but I noticed, while seeing the film for the first time, that the effect turned out differently. They hadn't used the actual take; instead, they filmed Linda lunging forward with her mouth open and inserted a seperetely photographed vomit projection.” – Dick Smith, Video Watchdog, 1991
That created debate over what Vercoutere claimed and what Friedkin
claimed. The information never matched and it depended upon who you
chose to believe.I really wish they would have gotten Vercoutere and Dick Smith for the new features. Not only would have been a lot more informative (as it is, we don't learn how any of the effects were made, only how they were used), but I trust those two more than any of the other cast & crew. They don't screw about, dumb anything down, and always have a consistent story.
Blair or Roizman never say she did any actual takes with it, either, and the last line of the quote you posted – “we worked on that thing for over three months” – sounds like Linda is recalling all the tests they did before shooting and Dietz took over.
^^ Justin, how do I make the grey boxes like you did when quoting someone?
Anyway, “… sounds like Linda is recalling all the tests they did before shooting and Dietz took over.” I'm still not seeing that particular angle by listening to Blair in either the link I provided or on the “Roizman Tapes.” Remember that Roizman said, “It was a very tricky scene to shoot because we had to have all these devices installed in her mouth. But I filmed mainly behind-the-scenes footage of Eileen Dietz. But finally, when we were ready to shoot, Linda came in and we made the shots mostly with her. In the final cut, there's a subliminal cut of Eileen that we had made, but basically it's Linda.â€
Now that is confusing on what we already know. There is a tremendous amount of faulty recollections from the principals. The unknown things are just speculations. I agree that Vercoutere and Smith would have provided more insight because we know they were on the set during filming. Unfortunately, we didn’t get that on the BR.
Father Bowdern
Well he's right, it is mostly Linda, but she didn't use the rig.
I honestly think he's just trying to give as little credit to Dietz as possible. If they had done any shots of Linda using the rig then they probably wouldn't have shown any footage of Dietz at all, but because she was the only one who filmed that scene properly and it is one of the most famous shots in the film, they had no choice.
They could have at least shown a little footage of Linda's outtakes. Roizman may not have filmed it, but there is footage out there because a couple of seconds was shown in Linda's A&E bio (I made this animated gif of it a while back).
^^ Justin, how do I make the grey boxes like you did when quoting
someone?Highlight the text you want to quote and then click the little quotation marks in the post editor menu.
Justin said:
Well he's right, it is mostly Linda, but she didn't use the rig.
I honestly think he's just trying to give as little credit to Dietz as possible. If they had done any shots of Linda using the rig then they probably wouldn't have shown any footage of Dietz at all, but because she was the only one who filmed that scene properly and it is one of the most famous shots in the film, they had no choice.
They could have at least shown a little footage of Linda's outtakes. Roizman may not have filmed it, but there is footage out there because a couple of seconds was shown in Linda's A&E bio (I made this animated gif of it a while back).
^^ Justin, how do I make the grey boxes like you did when quoting
someone?
Highlight the text you want to quote and then click the little quotation marks in the post editor menu.
Well, in my opinion, as I already said, that little shot with Dietz is horrible … they shoud have leaved ony the part with Linda (that looks perfect) … and save all those discussions.
PS: Yes, I know, I am not a fan of Dietz … I really don't like when a double is so obviously different.
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Geez, I'm doing something wrong on the block quote.
Father Bowdern
Edit: I think I did it on the next comment.
They could have at least shown a little footage of Linda's outtakes. Roizman may not have filmed it, but there is footage out there because a couple of seconds was shown in Linda's A&E bio (I made this animated gif of it a while back).
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Okay, it's kind of weird to do the quote blocks. Maybe I should stick to “xxx” stuff. Anyway, I did see this on your Tumblr site and I think it rocks.
Your summary of what we see makes sense, too. Perhaps everyone knows the Dietz story of how she claims to be the star of the film.
Father Bowdern
Another thing I noticed in that vomit footage is what fun Vercoutere was having spraying Jason Miller. He has a big grin on his face the whole time. Also, the Regan stand-in is neither Linda or Dietz, but a man!
Woah! I'll have to check it out the male stand-in. Do you have a time reference on the BR, Justin?
You rock!
Father Bowdern
This is making me wish we had a blu player in the house. 🙁 Well maybe one of you can post pics of different things from the blu ray. 🙂
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